aside Will The Real Hillary Clinton, Please Stand Up? Part X (About The 4 Women At The 2nd Debate)

clinton-2nd-presidential-debate-10-ftrOn the second presidential debate night of 10/9/16, Donald Trump trotted four women from the Clintons’ past for a TV mini presentation before 9:00 PM designed to intimidate and  humiliate our future First Lady. The women present were Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones and Kathleen Shelton. If anyone believes that Mr. Trump re-introduced these women to the public out of his moral outrage and empathy for them, may I sell you the “London Bridge.”

For the debate, Donald Trump, his son-in-law Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon had planned to have all the ladies enter the debate room at the same time as Bill Clinton and Chelsea and then the quests were supposed to sit in the VIP box instead of the family. This strategy was blocked by a member of the republican debate commission.

Jon Greenberg

clinton-2nd-debate-bill-and-chelsea-cuxrbh3waaevw5r“Donald Trump said at the second presidential debate that his lewd 2005 comments were “locker room talk,” but what Bill and Hillary Clinton did was much worse.”

“If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse,” Trump said Oct. 9, 2016. “Mine are words, and his was action. So you can say any way you want to say it, but Bill Clinton was abusive to women.”

“Trump then criticized Hillary Clinton.”

“Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously. Four of them here tonight.”

Kathleen Willey, from left, Juanita Broaddrick, and Kathy Shelton sit Photographer: Daniel Acker/Bloomberg
Kathleen Willey, from left, Juanita Broaddrick, and Kathy Shelton sit Photographer: Daniel Acker/Bloomberg

“Here we’re fact-checking Trump’s claim that Hillary Clinton “viciously” attacked women who say they were abused by Bill Clinton.”

“What we found is that Hillary Clinton has been accused of threatening or shaming accusers of Bill Clinton. But all the accusations remain unproven, as do the specific allegations against Bill Clinton. In most cases, evidence Hillary Clinton intervened in any significant way doesn’t exist.”

An error in Trump’s counting

“Before we explain the case with each accuser, a small note. While Trump invited four women to the debate at Washington University in St. Louis, only three of them — Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones –have accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault.”

The fourth woman, Kathy Shelton, was a victim in a rape case. Hillary Clinton defended Shelton’s attacker while working at a University of Arkansas legal aid clinic. See my post, Will The Real Hillary Clinton, Please Stand Up, Part VIII (1975 Rape Case)… 

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Donald Trump is towering behind Hillary Clinton like a mob boss, acting like a bully

Hillary Clinton and Juanita Broaddrick

In 1978, Juanita Broaddrick managed a nursing home in Arkansas. During the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, Broaddrick came forward to say that he had raped her in her hotel room in 1978.

“Broaddrick also said that she believed Hillary Clinton knew about the rape and tried to intervene.”

“She described an encounter to the conservative website Breitbart. Broaddrick said that soon after the alleged event took place, she went to a Democratic fundraiser that the Clintons attended. Broaddrick said Hillary Clinton approached her.”

clinton-debate-side-by-side-photo-maxresdefault“Clinton said, “I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate the things you do for him. Do you understand? Everything you do,” Broaddrick recounted.”

“Broaddrick told Breitbart, “What really went through my mind at that time is ‘She knows. She knew. She’s covering it up and she expects me to do the very same thing.”

clinton-2nd-presidential-debate-1-ftr“Broaddrick did not go public with her story, even going so far as to deny that the rape occurred in a sworn deposition (as part of the Paula Jones case). Two decades later though, investigators with independent counsel Ken Starr approached her and she told it all. Ultimately, Starr’s team decided there was “inconclusive evidence” to press charges.”

“We found no evidence of Hillary Clinton viciously attacking Broaddrick, as Trump claimed, nor is there independent confirmation of the exchange at the fundraising event. Also, in a 1999 interview with NBC News, Broaddrick was asked if Bill Clinton or anyone close to him had ever done anything to keep her silent. Broaddrick said, “No.”

clinton-use-tis-pic-dt-and-4-women-rtsricy-e1476059115902Kathleen Willey

“In 1993, Kathleen Willey was a Clinton supporter and a volunteer at the White House. Willey said that when she went to the president to ask for a paid position, he groped her.”

“Willey, now a Trump supporter, has said that Hillary Clinton “wrote the book on terrorizing women.” Willey described what she believed to be efforts to intimidate her in an interview with the conservative website, “Daily Caller.” 

“That list included “a dead cat found on her porch, a man she saw at night under her deck, and a stranger in her remote neighborhood inquiring threateningly about how her children were doing.”

cartoon-great-debate-one-dt-trump-second-amendment-people-cartoon-luckovich“Willey also mentioned being told that Clinton insider Sidney Blumenthal said about her, “She may look good today … she’s not going to look good by Friday.”

“In the course of responding to a lawsuit in 1999, Blumenthal did say Hillary Clinton approved the public release of letters Willey had sent after the alleged event. The letters were characterized as “friendly” and, according to Blumenthal, Clinton thought they would undermine Willey’s credibility because the tone was at odds with the episode she described.”

“We reached out to Willey to get more details but have yet to hear back.”

clinton-paula-jones-photo-time-516obtbc0l-_sl500_Paula Jones

“In 1994, Arkansas state worker Paula Jones accused Bill Clinton of making an unwanted sexual advance. Clinton ultimately paid $850,000 to settle with Jones without admitting guilt.”

“Jones has harsh words for Hillary Clinton. She said Clinton was out to discredit her.”

“She don’t care nothing about women. Because if she did she would believe what I had to say,” Jones told Breitbart.” 

“Jones said Clinton was an enabler of her husband’s transgressions. After Jones sued Bill Clinton, his legal team questioned her and looked into her background.”

“But, again, we found no evidence Hillary Clinton attacked Jones. The closest was in 1998 when Clinton said she felt that Jones’ lawsuit was part of a larger political agenda.”

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Monica Lewinsky

Monica Lewinsky

“No account of Bill Clinton’s transgressions would be complete without mentioning White House intern Monica Lewinsky. Lewinsky aimed to get the attentions of the president and succeeded. When Lewinsky’s story came to light through the Starr investigation, Hillary Clinton forcefully rejected that there was any truth to it.”

“Clinton basically wrote it off as part of “this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.”

“When Hillary Clinton said that, Lewinsky was still publicly denying her affair with the president.” (She had signed an affidavit denying the affair.)

Our ruling

“Trump said that Hillary Clinton “viciously” attacked women accused of abuse by Bill Clinton.”

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“Bill Clinton certainly has been accused of sexual assault and having affairs. The record shows Hillary Clinton played a role in defending her husband, and that the Clintons’ first presidential campaign deployed tough tactics to defend against stories of consensual sex.”

“But in the cases of alleged abuse by Broaddrick, Willey and Jones, Hillary Clinton was largely silent. The words she allegedly had with Broaddrick are subject to interpretation. Approving the release of Willey’s letters does qualify as an attack, but using a person’s words against them is a fairly tame tactic. Clinton did not attack Jones directly.”

Overall, we rate the claim Mostly False.

clinton-great-clinton-photo-w-quoteo-billie-jean-king-900My Thoughts: Hillary was married to a serial cheater which means he was serially not truthful to his wife. She had to come to terms with this reality in the most public of forums. I have no doubt that she acted in a less than in a kindly manner towards him. Somehow she managed the strength to retain her dignity throughout this horrible time in her life. To expect her to act with consideration towards the women involved with her husband stretches incredulity. It is likely that she has uttered uncomplimentary comments about them and that she had to be aware of her husband and others mounting counter offensive tactics to contain the negative consequences from his stupidities. What I am sure of is that her husband acted contrary to his own best interests on more than one occasion, in handling his mess because he was trying to cover his tracks with his wife until it was no longer possible.

3 comments

  1. Gronda, thanks for sharing this. Bill was a philander and any attempts to say otherwise would be rightfully ridiculed. Yet, in a very personal decision, this woman decided to remain married to him. My guess is she jerked the man bald-headed each time. But, what I find strange is that is what the bible tells us is the better path (I won’t argue the merits of this statement, as I would disagree in today’s time), so you would think Evangelicals would be more supportive of her as a result.

    Yet, she is vilified for he role. I recognize it is harder for a public figure to have to deal with infidelity in the open. She cannot hide and I am certain her feelings about the women her husband transgressed with were spoken of unfavorably and some of that was captured in the press.

    My true hero in this regard is the former wife of SC governor Mark Sanford who lied about being on the Appalachian Trail when he was visiting his “soul mate” in Argentina. When she heard “soul mate” from her husband’s lips and he was not talking about her, she told him to go to his own mea culpa press conference alone and later divorced him. She probably told him to go some place else first.

    Back to wandering Bill, he was sufficiently contrite each time, that she stayed with him. That is her decision, as she is the person who has to live with him. And, while he was an excellent president as historians have rated, the key fact here is Bill is not running this time.

    What does this say about the candidate? She made one of the toughest decisions in her life to remain married to a man who cheated on her. Many women (and men) have had to make that decision, which is personal. I think it goes to what Trump said about her to the question at the debate – he admires that she does not quit.

    Think about that.
    Keith

    • Dear Keith, Her decision was hers to make. If I put myself in her shoes, I can pretty much map out the scenario. Even though he cheated, my impression is that Bill loved his wife despite his destructive behaviors. I base this analysis on the basis that he first lied to to a prosecutor and then to the public while wagging his finger. If HRC as a competent attorney, did not believe his lies, she would never have advised her husband to do this. He did not want her to know. At some earlier point in the marriage, he promised her he had learned a lesson. He and she probably did counseling.

      When he finally confessed the truth to her, she probably was furious, not just because of the cheating but because he had dug himself a hole by trying to avoid confronting her.

      Mrs. Sanford was not in the same situation. The U.S. presidency was not at stake. If HRC left him at that time, all those righteous conservatives hounding them would have won the day. I am speculating that she was not about to give them that victory at that time.

      In my mind, she was the adult and she probably came to a mutually beneficial agreement with him to stay in the marriage and rightfully so. Again, I admire her guts.

      Ciao, Gronda

      • Gronda, I do as well. I felt the Sanford situation was different due to the soul mate comment. While public, in the end, it is Clinton’s decision and none of our business. But, it won’t stop armchair quarterbacks. Keith

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