aside CIA And FBI Are At Odds Over Russian Hacking Intelligence Reports

-Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Lee Atwater, young Republicans political operatives who have set up lobbying firms. (Photo by Harry Naltchayan/The Washington Post via Getty Images)
-Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Lee Atwater, young Republicans political operatives who have set up lobbying firms. (Photo by Harry Naltchayan/The Washington Post via Getty Images)

The FBI has already demonstrated its partisan bonafides when its Director James Comey unleashed his October Surprise in the form of his October 28, 2016 letter to U.S. congress,  stating that the FBI would be reviewing newly discovered emails which could be pertinent to the July 2016 closed case without criminal charges, regarding Hillary Clinton’s email handling of classified material via her personal private server, while she served as secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. When the FBI Director acted in defiance of DOJ high level officials’ strong objections and the FBI’s own published regulations to not publicly disclose anything about an elected official while he/ she is under investigation, within 60 days of an election unless an indictment is imminent, he showed his true partisan colors. He penned this letter within 11 days of the final presidential election day.

He took these unprecedented steps while being in full possession of the classified data that Russia was culpable for widespread hacking of democratic campaign related websites. Now, it would be in the FBI’s self interests to deny the CIA analysis that Russia’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was implemented in order to help Donald Trump to win.

On 12/10/16 Ellen Nakashima and Adam Entous describe this conflict in the Washington Post article, “FBI and CIA give differing accounts to lawmakers on Russia’s motives in 2016 hacks.” Below are excerpts:

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In a secure meeting room under the Capitol last week, lawmakers held in their hands a classified letter written by colleagues in the Senate summing up a secret, new CIA assessment of Russia’s role in the 2016 presidential election.

“Sitting before the House Intelligence Committee was a senior FBI counterintelligence official. The question the Republicans and Democrats in attendance wanted answered was whether the bureau concurred with the conclusions the CIA had just shared with senators that Russia “quite” clearly intended to help Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton and clinch the White House.”

“For the Democrats in the room, the FBI’s response was frustrating — even shocking.”

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STONE-MANAFORT ARE LONG TIME FRIENDS

“Sitting before the House Intelligence Committee was a senior FBI counterintelligence official. The question the Republicans and Democrats in attendance wanted answered was whether the bureau concurred with the conclusions the CIA had just shared with senators that Russia “quite” clearly intended to help Republican Donald Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton and clinch the White House.”

“For the Democrats in the room, the FBI’s response was frustrating — even shocking.”

“During a similar Senate Intelligence Committee briefing held the previous week, the CIA’s statements, as reflected in the letter the lawmakers now held in their hands, were “direct and bald and unqualified” about Russia’s intentions to help Trump, according to one of the officials who attended the House briefing.”

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“The FBI official’s remarks to the lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee were, in comparison, “fuzzy” and “ambiguous,” suggesting to those in the room that the bureau and the agency weren’t on the same page, the official said.”

“The divergent messages from the CIA and the FBI put a spotlight on the difficulty faced by intelligence and law enforcement officials as they try to draw conclusions about the Kremlin’s motives for hacking Democratic Party emails during the 2016 race. Officials are frequently looking at information that is fragmentary. They also face issues assessing the intentions of a country expert at conducting sophisticated “influence” operations that made it hard — if not impossible — to conclusively detect the Kremlin’s elusive fingerprints.”

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JULIAN ASSANGE OF WIKILEAKS

“The competing messages, according to officials in attendance, also reflect cultural differences between the FBI and the CIA. The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior.”

“The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court,” one of the officials said. “The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means ‘we’re pretty damn sure.’ It doesn’t mean they can prove it in court.”

Paul Manafort was campaign manager to Ukrainian President Yanukovich
Paul Manafort was campaign manager to Ukrainian President Yanukovich

“The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling. “There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official.”

“The murky nature of the assessments is maddening many lawmakers who are demanding answers about the Kremlin’s role in the presidential race. The FBI, under Director James B. Comey, is already under fire for dropping a bombshell letter days before the election on the discovery of new emails potentially related to the Clinton private server investigation. The emails proved irrelevant to the case. On Saturday, outgoing Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) called on Comey to resign, saying the FBI director deliberately kept quiet evidence about Russia’s motives before the election.”Image result for photos of roger stone and putin

“With so much of the evidence about Russia’s alleged role in the election shrouded in secrecy because of strict classification rules, Democrats and Republicans in Washington who have access to the underlying intelligence say they have struggled to make their respective cases, leaving an already deeply divided public convinced that both sides are shading their conclusions to help the candidate they backed on Election Day.”

Back to J Edgar Hoover FBI days when partisan political assassinations were the norm

“The clamor from Democrats and some Republicans for a more fulsome accounting prompted the White House on Friday to announce that President Obama had ordered a full review of Russian cyber actions during the 2016 campaign. The president wants the report to be completed before he leaves office next month. Officials said Obama intends to declassify as much of the report as possible. Lawmakers, in turn, want the review to be accompanied by a joint congressional investigation.”

“Only in this way can the American people know the extent of Russian interference and we can attempt to inoculate ourselves against continued meddling in our elections,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House intelligence panel, who has been briefed but did not comment on the information he has learned.”Image result for photos of roger stone and putin

“Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the intelligence community’s information needs to be made public “not to revisit this election, but to see that this doesn’t happen again.” Russia regularly tries to influence European politics and elections, “and I don’t want this to be the case here,” he said.”

“King said he does not believe Moscow’s efforts end with Trump’s election. “It could happen in the midterms. It could be in the next presidential election. They have shown us that they are capable and willing to do it here. For us not to react with the highest level of investigation and preparing responsive measures would be negligent,” he said.”

“Meanwhile, top Republicans on the committee have pointed to the possible ambiguity of the evidence to question the soundness of the claim that Russia acted to help Trump. “There is no clear evidence — even now,” said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the panel’s chairman. “There’s a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that’s it.”Image result for photos of roger stone and putin

“At the start of the House Intelligence Committee briefing, the senior FBI official walked lawmakers through the evidence that the bureau thought was credible about Russia’s role in the election, according to officials in attendance.”

“It didn’t take long for the conversation to turn to the statements that the CIA briefer had made to the Senate panel, making the case for the first time that Russia intended to help Trump win the election.”

“Previous CIA assessments of Moscow’s goals were more cautious, saying they were limited to undermining faith in the U.S. electoral system. In earlier statements to the intelligence committees in Congress, the agency stopped short of saying the intrusions were meant to benefit one candidate over another.”Image result for photos of roger stone and putin

“During the nearly two-hour briefing, the Democratic lawmakers in the room, again and again, tried to pin the FBI official down on whether the bureau believed that Russia had a preference in who won the election.”

“It was shocking to hold these (CIA) statements made about Russian intentions and activities, and to hear this guy basically saying nothing with certainty and allowing that all was possible,” said an official who attended the briefing. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions.”

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QUESTION: IF THE RNC WEBSITE WAS HACKED, DOES THAT OPEN UP REPUBLICANS MANIPULATION?

“Many of the Republican lawmakers welcomed the FBI’s caution. They didn’t think the CIA had a basis for coming to the conclusions presented to the Senate panel. Some of the Republicans on the House side thought it would have been more logical for the CIA to conclude that Russia preferred Clinton because she was a known commodity and because Trump talked during the campaign of expanding the U.S. military, something Russia might interpret as a threat, according to officials.”

“At one point during the discussion in the secure room, a Republican lawmaker turned to his Democratic colleagues and said the back-and-forth suggested that “Republicans are from Mars, Democrats are from Venus,” according to an aide who was present.”

7 comments

    • Dear Earth United,

      Yesterday, I couldn’t comprehend why a guest, Mr Spicer went ballistic during the CNN Mike Smerconish Show by pushing back hard that the RNC (as per NY Times) was not hacked by Russia. This is because if the RNC was also hacked, but Russia only leaked DNC emails via WikiLeaks, then the conclusion could be easily drawn that Russia was favoring DT.

      Thanks a million for stopping by and for this reblog, Gronda

      • Spoken like a true liberal! The CIA claims the hackers were Russian, they have no proof that the Russian govt. was behind the hack. Liberals claim the hack was to help Trump win. Maybe they just hate Hillary.
        After all she was the one who embarrassed the Russians with her stupid reset button when she purposely insulted them with re setting relations to a time when the Russian economy was at it’s worst!

        • Dear Vincent McElroy,

          Welcome to the site.

          For me, this is not a conservative or liberal issue. There is certainty that the Russians did hack U.S. websites associated with democratic campaign related web sites but the question is did they hack the RNC as well. As to their motivation, to me it makes little difference. There will have to be consequences. Time will tell the whole story.

          Thanks for stopping by, Gronda

        • Vincent,
          Had emails for the RNC and Trump’s campaign been released, and had Trump not created and continued the mantra “lock her up” then maybe it would not be suspect that the leaks were to influence the election against Hillary. The one-sided leak makes it suspect.

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