aside Why The President-elect Is Discounting CIA Intelligence?

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It has been puzzling as to why the republican President-elect Donald Trump has been responding so negatively towards recent CIA intelligence news to where he can’t even admit what’s obvious, that the Russians did hack at a minimum, democratic campaign related web sites in order to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. He was aware of this allegation early on in the campaign trail, when he publicly asked the Russians to find the democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton missing 33,000 personal emails that she had deleted.

He has been thrashing the CIA ever since it published its findings that the Russians hacked U.S. internet systems in order to specifically help the president-elect win. It seems that one of his sources for his negative stance towards the CIA, as well as his positive attitude towards Russia and his penchant for fake news consumption is none other than his own National Security Advisor, Ret. LT. General Mike Flynn who has documented ties to Russia and a known history of passing on “fake news” but now we are also learning about his contempt for the CIA. Here are a sample of a couple of the president-elect’s many tweets:

Can you imagine if the election results were the opposite and WE tried to play the Russia/CIA card. It would be called conspiracy theory!

Unless you catch “hackers” in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn’t this brought up before election?

On 12/12/16  Matthew Rosenberg of the NY Times reports about this situation between the president-elect and his national security advisor in the article, “Michael Flynn Is Harsh Judge of C.I.A.’s Role.” Here are excerpts:

“Although it is unclear how much Mr. Flynn, 57, is responsible for Mr. Trump’s response to the C.I.A. assessment, during the presidential campaign he had substantial influence on the president-elect. He brought to the campaign views on Muslims and national security that tended to be far closer to the right-wing fringes than the mainstream of the Republican Party.”Image result for photos of gen mike flynn

“Mr. Flynn also appears to have helped set the tone for Mr. Trump’s testy relationship with the intelligence community. In August, when the Trump campaign received its first intelligence briefing, Mr. Flynn was so combative with the briefers that another person in the room had to urge him to settle down, according to a person familiar with the episode who was told about it in confidence.”

“On any number of issues — from the Obama administration’s failure to foresee the rise of the Islamic State to Mr. Flynn’s ouster as chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the intelligence arm of the Defense Department — he has made it clear in recent years that he sees the political hand of the C.I.A. at work.”Related image

“As director of the D.I.A. from 2012 to 2014, he pushed hard for his agency, long treated as second-rate by the C.I.A., to be given greater access to the trove of documents and other materials seized during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in May 2011. The C.I.A. controlled the material, and Mr. Flynn became convinced that the agency was refusing to share or declassify much of it because of fears that it would undermine the administration’s narrative about Al Qaeda’s waning strength at the time Bin Laden was killed.”

“It’s all political with” the C.I.A. leadership, Mr. Flynn said in the 2015 interview, which focused on the rise of the Islamic State and American national security.”

“If they put out what we knew, then the president could have not said, in a national election, ‘Al Qaeda’s on the run and we’ve killed Bin Laden,’” he said, referring to Mr. Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign. “Even today, he talks about Bin Laden as though that was a stroke of genius.”Image result for photos of gen mike flynn

“Mr. Flynn also questioned the decision to kill Bin Laden. “Killing Bin Laden was the wrong thing to do,” he said. “They could have captured him.”

“In killing Bin Laden, he said, “we created a new version of Allah.”

“What we should have done is shown him to be a decrepit old guy, put him in a freaking cage, in a cell, and put him on trial,” Mr. Flynn added.

“Make it a big messy trial, make it global.”Mr. Flynn has also said that the C.I.A., at the urging of the White House, was playing down warnings from the D.I.A. about the resurgence of Al Qaeda in Iraq, which would later become the Islamic State. “I’m telling you, the C.I.A. has a lot to reflect on because of this,” he said.”Image result for photos of gen mike flynn

“A number of current and former officials dispute Mr. Flynn’s account, saying concerns about the resurgence of Islamist militants in the midst of Syria’s civil war were widespread in the intelligence community.”

“Mr. Flynn, who was fired from the D.I.A. after serving only two years of a three-year appointment, has described his dismissal as an act of political retribution by the C.I.A. and Obama administration officials who did not want to hear what he was saying.”

“Other officials, including some with direct knowledge of the decision to dismiss Mr. Flynn, said he was forced out for a more straightforward reason: He was not a good manager, and his efforts to reform the agency left it in chaos.”Image result for photos of gen mike flynn

“It was not Mr. Flynn’s first run-in with the civilian intelligence community. The ill will stretches back years, current and former officials said, and it transformed into open hostility when Mr. Flynn was running military intelligence under Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal in Afghanistan.”

“In January 2010, after less than a year on the job, Mr. Flynn released a paper, “Fixing Intel,” that was highly critical of American intelligence work in Afghanistan. It bluntly stated that “the U.S. intelligence community is only marginally relevant to the overall strategy,” and said that it had only itself to blame because it had failed to understand Afghanistan’s cultural complexities.”Image result for photos of gen mike flynn

“The paper was widely praised in defense circles as insightful. But at the C.I.A., officials were furious at what they saw as a direct attack on the aptitude and professionalism of the roughly 1,000 agency personnel who were serving in Afghanistan at the time.”

“They were also incensed at the timing of the paper, which became public five days after a suicide attack that killed seven C.I.A. officers at a base in eastern Afghanistan. Mr. Flynn’s searing critique was seen at the agency as the height of insensitivity.”Image result for photos of gen mike flynn

“Mr. Flynn has been unapologetic about his views of not only the C.I.A. but other national security agencies, including the D.I.A. under his leadership.”

“They’ve really been lying to the American public,” he said in the interview, referring to the Obama administration and much of the national security and intelligence establishment. The Department of Defense and those of us that have allowed this sort of happy talk–We’re moving in the right direction, things are working. It’s not. The Taliban are going to come back into power, or ISIS is going to come back into power.



  1. Thanks Gronda. This is why we must proceed with an investigation as we discussed before. I am also troubled by his not wanting to be routinely briefed on national security. An observed weakness by many experts is his lack of foreign policy experience and lack of understanding of global issues. To not want to briefed is worrisome, and as opposed to his rhetoric, he does not have all the answers.

    An attorney who worked for him who said we should not vote for this man said it best. He said for a man who was interviewing for the most important job in the world, to have no interest in learning what that job entailed is arrogant and unwise. I recognize Trump has been successful, but his history shows he has made more than a few bad decisions that have affected many.

    • Dear Keith,

      DT does not want to deal with anything that does not jive with what he prefers to believe. Facts and real intelligence would just burst his bubble. For example, he does not wish to face the fact that Russia was deliberately interfering with U.S. elections to help him win.

      He wants to alter U.S. foreign policy to be friendlier to Russia. This change could be financially beneficial for himself and so why let facts get in the way.

      Hugs, Gronda

  2. Gronda,

    The situation is changing rapidly. The usual line of defense taken by the Trump brigade is that it’s all circumstantial and that if there was anything tangible the FBI would weigh in. Tonight the FBI confirmed the CIA’s assessment that Russia attacked the U.S. elections. There must be hard evidence to support this claim because this is Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton.

    • Dear Rob,

      I am hoping an independent commission is set up into this Russian scandal and that retaliatory action v Russia is taken before President Obama leaves office.

      Hugs, Gronda

      • I have heard, although I have not seen verification, that Obama is being advised to delay the meeting of the electors until the investigation is complete. Surely an attack of this magnitude requires unpre3cedented steps to safeguard the integrity and security of the nation. I don’t care if the next President is Democrat or republican, I just want that person to make our nation’s well being the number one priority.

        • Dear Rob,

          That person is not DT. I am convinced that in his mind, his business interests trumps U.S. national security priorities.
          We need a miracle to turn this situation around for the better.

          Hugs, Gronda

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