aside For Real, General Mike Flynn Was Planning A Kidnapping

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On the evening of 3/24/17, I was dutifully watching the MSNBC TV “Rachel Maddow” show where she started talking about this case where the republican President Donald Trump’s advisor, General Mike Flynn was actually planning a kidnapping.

On 3/24/17, James V. Grimaldi, Dion Nissenbaum and Margaret Coker of Wall Street Journal penned the following article, “Ex-CIA Director: Mike Flynn and Turkish Officials Discussed Removal of Erdogan Foe From U.S.”

“Retired Army Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn, while serving as an adviser to the Trump campaign, met with top Turkish government ministers and discussed removing a Muslim cleric from the U.S. and taking him to Turkey, according to former Central Intelligence Agency Director James Woolsey, who attended, and others who were briefed on the meeting.”

Image result for photos for donald trump and flynn“The discussion late last summer involved ideas about how to get Fethullah Gulen, a cleric whom Turkey has accused of orchestrating last summer’s failed military coup, to Turkey without going through the U.S. extradition legal process, according to Mr. Woolsey and those who were briefed.”

“Mr. Woolsey told The Wall Street Journal he arrived at the meeting in New York on Sept. 19 in the middle of the discussion and found the topic startling and the actions being discussed possibly illegal.”

“The Turkish ministers were interested in open-ended thinking on the subject, and the ideas were raised hypothetically, said the people who were briefed. The ministers in attendance included the son-in-law of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the country’s foreign minister, foreign-lobbying disclosure documents show.”

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Mr. Woolsey said the idea was “a covert step in the dead of night to whisk this guy away.” The discussion, he said, didn’t include actual tactics for removing Mr. Gulen from his U.S. home. If specific plans had been discussed, Mr. Woolsey said, he would have spoken up and questioned their legality.

It isn’t known who raised the idea or what Mr. Flynn concluded about it.

Price Floyd, a spokesman for Mr. Flynn, who was advising the Trump campaign on national security at the time of the meeting, disputed the account, saying “at no time did Gen. Flynn discuss any illegal actions, nonjudicial physical removal or any other such activities.”

Related image“Mr. Flynn served as President Donald Trump’s national security adviser for 24 days and resigned after he misled Vice President Mike Pence and others about his contact with a Russian diplomat. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is looking into whether Trump campaign officials collaborated with the Russian government to influence the presidential election.”

“On March 2, weeks after Mr. Flynn’s departure from the Trump administration, the Flynn Intel Group, his consulting firm, filed with the Justice Department as a foreign agent for the government of Turkey. Mr. Trump was unaware Mr. Flynn had been consulting on behalf of the Turkish government when he named him national security adviser, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said this month.”

Image result for photos for donald trump and flynn“In its filing, Mr. Flynn’s firm said its work from August to November “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” The filing said his firm’s fee, $530,000, wasn’t paid by the government but by Inovo BV, a Dutch firm owned by a Turkish businessman, Ekim Alptekin.”

“U.S.-Turkish relations deteriorated in the final year of the Obama administration over disagreements about extraditing Mr. Gulen and U.S. support for Syrian Kurdish forces battling Islamic State. The Turkish government has been demanding Mr. Gulen’s extradiction to face charges that he was the architect of an unsuccessful military coup last summer to overthrow Mr. Erdogan.”

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ex-CIA chief James Woolsey

“Mr. Gulen, who since 1999 has lived in the Pocono Mountains north of Philadelphia and has a green card giving him permission to live in the U.S., denies involvement. Mr. Erdogan has been trying for years to undermine Mr. Gulen, a onetime ally whom Turkey has now branded as a terrorist leader.”

“Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said Tuesday he had given the White House and U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions new evidence linking Mr. Gulen to the coup.”

“Mr. Woolsey said he attended the Sept. 19 meeting at the urging of the Flynn Intel Group’s chairman and president, Bijan Kian. Mr. Woolsey said he had agreed to be on the group’s advisory board and was offered a consulting fee for his work, but turned it down because of what he heard at the meeting. He held no stake in the firm.”

“It seemed to be naive,” Mr. Woolsey said about the discussion. “I didn’t put a lot of credibility in it. This is a country of legal process and a Constitution, and you don’t send out folks to haul somebody overseas.”

“The meeting, held at the Essex House hotel in Manhattan, included Mr. Cavusoglu and Berat Albayrak, Mr. Erdogan’s son-in-law and the country’s energy minister, according to the disclosure documents. Also present were Messrs. Alptekin and Mr. Kian.”

Image result for photo of woolsey“Mr. Woolsey said he didn’t say anything during the discussion, but later cautioned some attendees that trying to remove Mr. Gulen was a bad idea that might violate U.S. law. Mr. Woolsey said he also informed the U.S. government by notifying Vice President Joe Biden through a mutual friend.”

“The mutual friend confirmed to the Journal he told Mr. Biden about the meeting. Mr. Biden’s spokeswoman declined to comment on the matter, other than to say Mr. Biden felt the Gulen matter should be handled through the courts.”

“Mr. Flynn’s spokesman, Mr. Floyd, said that at the meeting “Gen. Flynn did discuss the Flynn Intel Group’s work for Inovo that included gathering information that could lead to a legal case against Mr. Gulen.”

Image result for photo of woolsey“Messrs. Kian and Alptekin didn’t respond to calls and emails seeking comment, nor did a spokesman for Mr. Albayrak. Mr. Cavusoglu’s spokesman referred the Journal to the Turkish Embassy in Washington.”

“In a written statement, the Turkish Embassy acknowledged that Turkish officials met with Mr. Flynn but declined to discuss the conversation. Referencing the Flynn Intel Group’s client, Inovo, the embassy said: “We are not in a position to comment on any engagement between a U.S. consultancy firm and a private company owned by a Turkish businessman.”

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Flynn (R)

“The disclosure Mr. Flynn’s firm filed with the U.S. government this month said the meeting was “for the purpose of understanding better the political climate in Turkey at the time.”

“Inovo hired Mr. Flynn on behalf of an Israeli company seeking to export natural gas to Turkey, the filing said, and Mr. Alptekin wanted information on the U.S.-Turkey political climate to advise the gas company about its Turkish investments.”

“Mr. Woolsey, who served as CIA director under President Bill Clinton, offered in September to advise the Trump campaign and opposed Hillary Clinton for president. He briefly served as a senior adviser to the transition team.”


  1. It would seem that King tRump and associates have never learned that in the real world you are often judged not only by your words, but by your actions (or inactions) as well! To even discuss in public or private a plan to commit an illegal act indicates premeditation and or conspiracy to commit a criminal act! One can only pause and wonder, if this plan has been revealed, what sorts of other illegal acts have these people actually committed that we have no knowledge of? Have they been involved in any deaths of their political or business adversaries? Have they been involved in any activities that involve treason? While the chance that it will happen is slim, we need to have a truly independent investigation into all of the actors in this administration and any and all close business associates need to be included in the investigation. Is it possible that some how most of us went to sleep in early November of 2016 and this is simply a bad dream and soon we will wake up and learn the elections were halted due to no qualified candidate, and the nation is still searching for a leader with at least a few principals and a little moral character? Ok, I know that is too much to ask for!!!! 😉

    Note: While it in not likely that it would happen, but a brave prosecutor who is actually a true patriot, could/should consider bring action for prosecution against some of these people under The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act!

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    • Dear Crustyolemothman,

      We should all be demanding a truly independent commission to competently investigate anything having to do with DT, his associates and Russia to determine what level of coordination occurred in a campaign v HRC.

      We are going to push for this because I am not sure it will happen otherwise.

      Ciao, Gronda


  2. It was widely known that the CIA sponsored a coup to overthrow Turkey’s President Erdogan in July of 2016. The goal was to remove Erdogan by assassination under the guise of a military coup, so the US can install a new Turkish military puppet to oppose Putin’s gov’t and destabilize the region. However, wily Putin’s intelligence agency caught wind of it and notified Erdogan, who miraculously fled the country just in time. The whole operation was exposed and the illegal coup operatives were arrested and tried.

    Here’s the complete rundown from NY Times:

    This muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen was to be used as a scapegoat, however deporting him was a legal, logistical issue. Flynn might very well have considered this covert operation, but there were too many eyes on Trump’s administration.
    Mr. Woolsey’s job is to whitewash these “kidnapping” allegations, and to stifle further investigations. A special prosecutor may be in order!

    Thanks for putting it all together Gronda, well done!


    • Dear 1EarthUnited,

      Thanks for the reference.

      My question is why did the ex-CIA Director James Woolsey take so long to come forward on this story.

      The trouble with Mr. Woolsey coming forward, is that he just opens up the whole situation to further examination. It doesn’t shut things down.

      Most folks are clamoring for an independent investigation or something equivalent, so that the truth of what has happened can be exposed.

      Ciao, Gronda


      • I like many other citizens feel the need for an independent investigation is essential to resolve the many unanswered questions about the current administration and his cabinet and close associates. I do however have a feeling that we will not see it happen, and if it does will it turn into something similar to the commission that investigated the Kennedy assassination where we to this day do not know the full extent of what was discovered. I don’t think anything less than a full and open series of hearings will be sufficient to bring forth recovery from this likely treasonous group of peoples actions.

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        • Dear Crustyolemothman,

          There have been no reports on this but those in the news business are convinced that the Gen. Mike Flynn has already been flipped by those investigating DT’s Russian saga.

          We are just going to have to wait for more information regarding any current ongoing investigations.

          Lawrence Tribe, a Harvard Law professor is tweeting that Rep. Devin Nunes was also at this meeting with General Flynn. It looks like ex-CIA Director Woolsey came forward because he was was worried about being outed.

          Ciao, Gronda.


    • Perhaps Mr Woolsey had been called out during the investigations, and now he’s spinning damage control for the Trump administration. Independent investigation would be great if someone turns up more definitive proof.


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