aside Finally, The Court Is Ordering The Government To Deliver Rudy Giuliani’s Documents

Image result for photos of rudy giulianiThe former republican NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani played an active role in the 2015-2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump. He had one glaring fault which was that he couldn’t keep his mouth shut.

After the first travel ban was implemented by the White house around January 27, 2017, Mr. Giuliani  shared with a FOX TV host the White House’s reasoning behind the ban.

As per a 1/29/17 Washington Post article by Amy B. Wang, “The former New York mayor Rudy W. Giuliani said President Trump wanted a “Muslim ban” and requested he assemble a commission to show him “the right way to do it legally.”

“He appeared on Fox News late Saturday night 1/28/17 to describe how Trump’s executive order temporarily banning refugees came together.”

“Fox News host Jeanine Pirro asked Giuliani whether the ban had anything to do with religion.”

“How did the president decide the seven countries?” she asked. “Okay, talk to me.”

Image result for photos of rudy giuliani“I’ll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when (Trump) first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban.’ He called me up. He said, ‘Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.’ ”

“Giuliani said he assembled a “whole group of other very expert lawyers on this,” including former U.S. attorney general Michael Mukasey, Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Tex.) and Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.).”

“And what we did was, we focused on, instead of religion, danger — the areas of the world that create danger for us,” Giuliani told Pirro. “Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible.”

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Here is the rest of the story…

On 5/13/17, Matt Zapotosky of the Washington Post penned the following article, “Judge orders government to turn over documents from Rudy Giuliani on travel ban.”


“A federal judge in Michigan this week ordered the Trump administration to turn over communications from Rudolph W. Giuliani and other advisers on the president’s controversial travel ban. Those suing over the matter hope the documents will bolster their bid to prove the ban was motivated by animus toward Muslims.”

“Giuliani has been a key figure in the ban even before the first version was signed, and judges across the country have pointed to statements by the former New York mayor and close Trump ally as they have ordered the ban frozen. The judges have noted particularly a comment Giuliani made on Fox News in January, in which he seemed to suggest he helped the president craft a legal way to prevent Muslims from entering the U.S.”

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“Judges have noted Miller’s comments, too, in putting the latest version of the ban on hold.”

“We believe these documents will show exactly how the Muslim ban that Donald Trump called for on the campaign trail turned into the executive order he issued a week after taking office,” said Miriam Aukerman, senior staff attorney at the ACLU of Michigan, in a written statement. “If the administration now still refuses to turn over these papers, the question will be: What is it trying to hide?”

“The case in Michigan is not one of the two that have put Trump’s latest travel ban on hold. It is proceeding at a slower pace.”

“Roberts ordered the government to turn over Giuliani’s memo by May 19 and the rest of the materials by June 2.”

Image result for photos of rudy giulianiAs per a 3/16/17 Washington Post article by Matt Zapotosky, here is list of other reasons why the government lost the travel ban argument in the courts:

1) “A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”

“A press release issued during Trump’s presidential campaign in December 2015 declared unequivocally, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.” The release — which was still available as of 1:27 p.m. Thursday (3/16/17) on the campaign’s website — also alleged a “great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population.”

“Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine,” Trump said in the release. “Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.” Judge Derrick K. Watson noted the press release in particular in his ruling Thursday that halted Trump’s executive order, declaring there was nothing “veiled” about it.”


Related image2) “The same basic policy outcome for the country.”

“After courts froze Trump’s first travel ban, and he said he intended to issue a new one, policy adviser Stephen Miller spoke to Fox News Channel’s Martha MacCallum about the possible revisions.”

“Well, one of the big differences that you’re going to see in the executive order is that it’s going to be responsive to the judicial ruling, which didn’t exist previously. And so these are mostly minor technical differences,” he said. “Fundamentally, you’re still going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country, but you’re going to be responsive to a lot of very technical issues that were brought up by the court and those will be addressed. But in terms of protecting the country, those basic policies are still going to be in effect.”

“That comment was particularly important because it connected the previous travel ban — which courts had frozen — to the new one, which Justice Department lawyers have argued was substantially different from the first.”

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3) “You could say it’s an expansion.”

“In July 2016, soon after he formally became the Republican presidential nominee, Trump was pressed in an interview on NBC News’s “Meet the Press” on whether he was rolling back his proposed Muslim ban.”

“I don’t think so,” Trump responded. “I actually don’t think it’s a rollback. In fact, you could say it’s an expansion. I’m looking now at territories. People were so upset when I used the word Muslim. Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m okay with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.”

“In his ruling blocking a critical portion of Trump’s new ban, U.S. District Judge Theodore D. Chuang in Maryland cited that comment in particular.”

 Image result for photos of rudy giuliani4) “We all know what that means.”

“As he signed his first travel ban, Trump told those gathered.  “And this is the protection of the nation from foreign terrorist entry into the United States. We all know what that means.”

“He added, “Protection of the nation from foreign terrorists’ entry into the United States. That’s big stuff.”

“Chuang cited that comment, too, in his ruling. Though vague, it seemed to hint at the controversy over Trump’s campaign-trail promise of a Muslim ban. And the next day, Giuliani’s said on Fox News Channel that Trump used the phrase “Muslim ban” and asked him “the right way to do it legally.”

“In particular, the direct statements by President Trump and Mayor Giuliani’s account of his conversations with President Trump reveal that the plan had been to bar the entry of nationals of predominantly Muslim countries deemed to constitute dangerous territory in order to approximate a Muslim ban without calling it one — precisely the form of the travel ban in the First Executive Order,” Chuang wrote.”

Image result for photos of stephen miller5) Prioritizing Christians

Earlier in the day he signed his first travel ban, Trump was asked by the Christian Broadcasting Network, “As it relates to persecuted Christians, do you see them as kind of a priority here?”

“Yes,” the president responded.

“He continued: “Do you know if you were a Christian in Syria it was impossible, at least very tough, to get into the United States? If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair, everybody was persecuted in all fairness, but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians.”

“Trump’s first executive order actually contained an exception to the section that barred refugees from entering the country for members of a religious minorities. Opponents pointed to that as evidence in the order itself that the measure was meant to disfavor Muslims, and the interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network seemed to offer more proof.”

6) “The principles of the executive order remain the same.”

“Trump signed his second travel ban out of public view on March 6, only to have administration officials — including the attorney general, homeland security secretary and secretary of state reveal it later. Later that day, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said,  “If you think about it, the principles of the executive order remain the same.”


  1. Dear Mz. Gronda,
    Is American/English the native tongue of tRump? I sometime wonder if it actually is, due to his not seeming to apply the same meaning to many common words in our dialect. Should we perhaps start a fund me page to purchase a large print dictionary for him? How many time do we need to hear his staff tell us that when he said this or that, that what we heard was not what he meant? Yet when I look in the dictionary to ensure that I have understood the words used, it in no way compares to what they say he actually said or meant.

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