aside It Looks Like President Trump Reveals His True Price For Helping DACA Dreamers


Finally, the true intent of the republican Donald Trump and his sycophants in the US Congress and in the White House Have been revealed. These players include the Congressional Senators Tom Cotton of Arkansas and David Perdue of Georgia, and the president’s staffers, General John Kelly, Chief of Staff,  Stephen Miller, a Senior Adviser and Gene Hamilton, an aide to Jeff Sessions and former ICE official who played a crucial role in the Trump Administration’s termination of DACA.

The republicans have been holding DACA (program to prevent deportation of young peoples who came to the US as children with undocumented parents and who know no other country) as a bargaining tool to get Democrats to sign off on their real intent which is to cut back on “legal immigration.” The cut back of legal immigration is the crux of the legislation sponsored by Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue. 


The president doesn’t just want his wall with added border security but the cut back of legal immigration.  Democrats should argue that the cutting back of legal immigration should not be a part of this negotiation to fix the DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) program, but it should be part of a comprehensive immigration plan. It should be explained that an increase of legal immigration is essential to spur economic growth and this policy is widely backed by big business.  In addition, there is not enough time before February 8, 2018 to deliver on a comprehensive immigration plan.

For Review:

Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor, for which Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the twentieth century. In October 2015, he wrote the following warning piece about immigration.




Donald Trump has opened the floodgates to lies about immigration. Here are the myths, and the facts

MYTH:  Immigrants take away American jobs. 

Wrong. Immigrants add to economic demand, and thereby push firms to create more jobs.

MYTH: We don’t need any more immigrants. 

Baloney. The U.S. population is aging. Twenty-five years ago, each retiree in America was matched by 5 workers. Now for each retiree there are only 3 workers. Without more immigration, in 15 years the ratio will fall to 2 workers for every retiree, not nearly enough to sustain our retiree population.

MYTH: Immigrants are a drain on public budgets. 

Bull. Immigrants pay taxes! The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report this year showing undocumented immigrants paid $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012 and their combined nationwide state and local tax contributions would increase by $2.2 billion under comprehensive immigration reform.

MYTH: Legal and illegal immigration is increasing. 

Wrong again. The net rate of illegal immigration into the U.S. is less than zero. The number of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. has declined from 12.2 million in 2007 to 11.3 million now, according to Pew Research Center.

Here’s the rest of the story…

On January 25, 2018, Michael D. Shear and Sheryl Gay Stolberg of the New York Times penned the following report, Trump Immigration Plan Demands Tough Concessions From Democrats.


President Trump proposed legislation on Thursday that would provide a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million young undocumented immigrants in exchange for an end to decades of family-based migration policies, a costly border wall and a vast crackdown on other immigrants living in the country illegally.


Describing the plan as “extremely generous” but a take-it-or-leave-it proposal, White House officials said they hoped it would be embraced by conservatives and centrists in Congress as the first step in an even broader effort to fix the nation’s immigration system.

Officials said the legislation would pave the way to citizenship not only for the 690,000 people who had signed up for protection under an Obama-era program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, but also for another 1.1 million undocumented immigrants who would have qualified for the program but never applied. Mr. Trump ended the DACA program, whose protections did not include a path to citizenship, last September.

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“But the new plan — drafted by Stephen Miller, the president’s hard-line domestic policy adviser, and John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff — was immediately rejected by Democrats, immigration advocates and some Republicans, with some describing it as nothing but an attempt to rid the country of immigrants and shut the nation’s borders.”

“Republican and Democratic senators are working on a narrower immigration plan of their own. They hope that if it can pass the Senate with a strong bipartisan majority, it will put pressure on the House — where attempts at immigration overhauls have died in recent years — to pass the legislation as well.” 

“Senate passage of a bipartisan bill could perhaps leave Mr. Trump with the take-it-or-leave-it decision. Just over two weeks ago, in a televised negotiating session at the White House, Mr. Trump said he would sign anything that got to him.”

“Senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Jeff Flake of Arizona — Republicans who have in the past fought against hard-line immigration policies — said the Senate was unlikely to simply accept the president’s legislation.”

“We’re getting started without them,” Mr. Flake said. Mr. Graham said bluntly, “This is a negotiation.”

“Members of both parties said that legislation would have a better chance of passing if it focused on legal status for DACA recipients without a dramatic crackdown on illegal immigrants or new restrictions on legal immigration for extended family members.”


“Anti-immigration activists also assailed the plan, though for the opposite reason. Breitbart News greeted word of the president’s plan with the headline “Amnesty Don Suggests Citizenship for Illegal Aliens.”

“Under Mr. Trump’s plan, described to reporters by senior White House officials, young immigrants who were brought into the US illegally as children would be granted legal status, would be allowed to work, and could become citizens over a 10-to-12-year period.”

“In exchange, Congress would have to create a $25 billion trust fund to pay for a southern border wall, dramatically increase immigration arrests, speed up deportations, crack down on people who overstay their visas, prevent citizens from bringing their parents to the US, and end a State Department program designed to encourage migration from under-represented countries (the diversity visa lottery).”

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“White House officials said that the list of enhanced security measures — which have been on anti-immigration wish lists for decades — were nonnegotiable. They warned that if no deal is reached, DACA recipients will face deportation when the program expires on March 5.”

“One senior official said the young immigrants would not be targeted, but are “illegal immigrants” who would be processed for deportation if they came into contact with immigration officers.”

“Officials said the president’s decision to formally present a plan to Congress was a direct response to members of Congress, including Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, who had complained that they did not know where the president stood in the immigration debate.”

“We’re basically signaling that this is the bill the president can sign,” one senior official said during the briefing.”

From left, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

“Officials said they expected Mr. McConnell to bring the president’s plan to the Senate floor for a vote during the week of Feb. 5, just days before the Feb. 8 expiration of a short-term government spending plan.”

“The president’s legislative proposal is designed to exert maximum pressure on Democrats, who are desperate to protect the young immigrants, known as Dreamers, but who fiercely oppose the policies embraced by hard-liners like Mr. Miller.”

“The strategy would work only if the Senate fails to reach a broad bipartisan accord on an alternative: legislation that would protect the Dreamers and bolster border security, but reject the most draconian aspects of the White House’s proposal.” 

“Mr. Trump hinted at the proposal to come on Wednesday evening in impromptu comments suggesting that he was open to allowing some of the young immigrants to become citizens in 10 to 12 years. But his comments were quickly followed on Thursday (1/25/18) morning by a White House email warning of a flood of immigrants into the country and demanding an end to policies that allow families to sponsor the immigration of their immediate relatives.”

“And even as Mr. Trump was offering reassuring words to the Dreamers — “tell them not to worry,” he told reporters Wednesday evening — senior White House officials were emphasizing the more hard-line features of their forthcoming immigration proposal.”

“In September, Mr. Trump ended the DACA program and set it to expire at the beginning of March, when recipients would no longer be able to work legally in the United States and would once again face the threat of deportation.”

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“Democratic lawmakers and activists say they will refuse to accept any proposal that requires them to forsake the well-being of other immigrants, including the parents of the Dreamers, to secure the fate of the young immigrants themselves.”

“It is shameful that the White House is holding these youth hostage in exchange for their extreme immigration agenda,” said Kevin Appleby, the senior director of international migration policy for the Center for Migration Studies.

“On Thursday (1/25/18), a bipartisan group of senators calling itself the Common Sense Coalition gathered in the office of Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, to discuss the immigration issue. At issue is the scope of the bill. Some senators want to draft a narrow bill that bolsters border security and codifies protections now extended to DACA recipients, which do not include a path to citizenship. Others say the legislation should take Mr. Trump up on his offer of citizenship, but to do that, lawmakers might have to take the rest of the White House’s deal.”


“Do we simply codify what DACA is and extend it out over a period of time, or do we try to go farther than that as the president is suggesting?” asked Senator Mike Rounds, Republican of South Dakota. “If you do that, you have to address the issue of chain migration, and that’s where it becomes a lot more complicated.”

“Hard-liners, apparently led by Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, say the White House’s strategy needs to be considered — and that means four elements: Dreamers; border security and a wall; chain migration; and an end to the diversity visa lottery.”

“Everybody wants to alter reality in a way that sort of suits their needs,” Mr. Cornyn said. “But the reality is the president said there has to be four pillars. People just need to accept that and deal with it.”

“Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, and Mr. Graham have been leading bipartisan talks on immigration. Their initial proposal — which did not include the president’s more hard-line proposals — was rejected by Mr. Trump during a White House meeting in which the president used vulgarities to describe Africans.

“On Wednesday (1/24/18) night, Mr. Graham held a meeting with a far larger group of about 30 senators. They decided that Mr. Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, and Mr. Cornyn would each function as a clearinghouse for ideas on immigration from their respective parties.”


    • Dear Suze,

      The anti-immigration republican lawmakers’ true intent is now exposed. The Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue developed legislation to cut back on legal immigration by 50%.

      This is not good policy but instead it is an example of creating policy based on prejudice and “fake news” like many immigrants are criminals.

      Thanks a million times for your support and for this reblog.

      Hugs, Gronda

  1. Reblogged this on It Is What It Is and commented:
    This is quite the ‘touchy topic’ … I don’t trust ANY of these politicians involved in this. They are ALL playing these DREAMERS for as pawns for political gain!
    The American governance has shown its true feelings … Diversity? Keeping promises? Being reasonable? Being just? Naw …

    • Dear Horty,

      These anti-immigration zealots in the White House like General Kelly, Stephen Miller, Gene Hamilton and those in the US Congress like Senators Cotton and Perdue have been hard at work to figure out how to use the Dreamers as a bargaining chip, how to blame the democrats for the shut down and for the military not getting paid, and how to pull the wool over the American peoples about their true motives which is how to get passage of a law designed to cut back on legal immigration by 50%.

      Thanks a million times over for all of your support and for this reblog.

      Hugs, Gronda

    • Dear Ravenhawks magazine,

      What do facts, sound reasoning, and thinking about what’s best for the American peoples have anything to do with policy making by the president’s republican sycophants in the US Congress and the White house?

      Thanks a million times over for your support and for this reblog.

      Hugs, Gronda

  2. There are deeper political motives at play here. Repubs are constantly worried that ALL immigration legal or illegal will impact the voter demographics in upcoming elections. Historically immigrants tend to vote Democrat, so Repub’s will try to shift future vote by implementing harsh immigration policies now!

    This dirty little secret should be exposed b/c that is their true intention. The counter talking point is that Dems want unchecked immigration to ensure victory as well, so a fair and lawful policy should be drafted to address the needs of immigrants and make sure we restrict dangerous criminals who want to undermine society, like drug dealers and murderers.

    • Dear 1EarthUnited,

      You present the only logical reason as to why any republican would be considering cutting back on legal immigration.

      Basing immigration policy on “fake news” is only logical from the point of view of racists and xenophobes.

      Hugs, Gronda

      • You bring up a valid point Gronda, yes Repubs under Trump’s control would like to restrict immigration to a bare minimum under the guise of national security. A large part of that decision has to do with racism and xenophobia. But there is some truth in their claim of violence and murder due to Mexican drug cartels setting up shop in sanctuary cities, knowing the Federal gov’t cannot get to them. There’s also the problem of international human trafficking as criminals with fake IDs beyond the law.

        So there’s has to be give and take among both parties to have a working immigration policy that help ppl who are honest and valued members of society, but also weed out the criminal element that plague our country today. It would be nice to put politics aside and deal with the real issues at hand… but our gov’t being the way it is, I can’t hold my breath.

        • Dear !EarthUnited,

          There is a myth that criminals are protected by operating in”Sanctuary cities.” The goal of sanctuary cities is to be s safe haven for all its law abiding residents. Its goal is not to be a safe haven for criminals of any background.

          During the president’s campaign season he frequently referred to illegal criminal immigrants by referring to two cases. What he failed to say was that the two cases involved criminals not living in sanctuary cities.

          Within sanctuary cities, the immigrant community members feel safe to contact police about criminal activity in their neighborhoods which means police are in a better position to confront the criminals in their areas.

          Too often these criminals are deported only to return again.

          i would not have a problem with the creation of a law that any deported criminal being the recipient of a warning that they are subject to immediate incarceration if they return to the USA.

          Hugs, Gronda

        • Thanks for clarifying Gronda, it’s nice to hear the positive aspects of what entails “Sanctuary City”. Wiki defines as:

          In the United States and Canada, a sanctuary city (French: ville sanctuaire, Spanish: ciudad santuario) is a city that limits its cooperation with the national government effort to enforce immigration law. Leaders of sanctuary cities want to reduce the fear of deportation and possible family break-up among people who are in the country illegally so that such people will be more willing to report crimes, use health and social services, and enroll their children in school. Municipal policies include prohibiting police or city employees from questioning people about their immigration status and refusing requests by federal immigration authorities to detain people beyond their release date, if they were jailed for breaking local law.[1] Such policies can be set expressly in law (de jure) or observed in practice (de facto), but the designation “sanctuary city” does not have a precise legal definition. The Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates restrictive immigration policies, estimates that about 300 U.S. jurisdictions, including cities, counties and states, have adopted sanctuary policies.[2]

          Opponents of sanctuary cities argue that cities should assist the federal government in enforcing immigration law. Supporters of sanctuary cities argue that enforcement of federal law is not the duty of localities.[3] Legal opinions vary on whether immigration enforcement by local police is constitutional.[4] Studies that investigated the relationship between sanctuary status and crime have found that sanctuary policies either have no effect on crime or that sanctuary cities have lower crime rates and stronger economies than comparable non-sanctuary cities.[5][6][7]

          In the United Kingdom and Ireland, sanctuary city refers to cities that are committed to welcoming refugees, asylum seekers and others who are seeking safety. Such cities are now found in 80 towns, cities and local areas in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.[8] The emphasis is on building bridges of connection and understanding, which is done through raising awareness, befriending schemes and forming cultural connections in the arts, sport, health, education, faith groups and other sectors of society.[9] Glasgow, Sheffield and Swansea are noted Cities of Sanctuary.[8][10]

          Some of the official stats from local and Federal gov’t:

          The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

          That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

          The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

          According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

          To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

          Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population

          Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear and demonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation’s population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime of murder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

          Now we can choose to close our eyes and ignore these problems or work together (both parties) and come up with viable solutions that benefit everyone in society. Clearly the existing immigration policy is not satisfactory to anyone to examine the facts. Yes emotions cloud judgment, but we as Americans need to be rational and try to come up with real solutions that help all ppl.

          Labeling illegals as criminals don’t help, but ignoring the very real criminal element in our society is not right either. I’m praying for a peaceful and quick resolution to DACA and CHIP so real human beings regardless or race, nationality, or class don’t suffer needlessly under Trump’s harsh immigration tactics.

    • Dear Sir, and please forgive me if you are not a sir, but you certainly write like one, how can you in one breath talk about illegal immigrants being voters and causing voting tendencies to change, and then say that they they are criminals who want to undermine society? Criminals don’t vote, especially if they are in the country illegally. But that is just one point. Criminals are NOT out to undermine or otherwise do anything to society, because it is society that caused them to be criminals in the first place, and that is what they are reacting to. All most people ever want is to have a fair shake at life, but the “American Way of Life” prevents them from getting a fair shake, and if Dumpster Toilet has his way, they will have even less of a shake in the coming future.
      As income inequality grows in the world’s supposedly richest nation, more and more money is ending up in fewer and fewer hands. And please don’t insult anyone by saying that the over-rich need that money to re-invest it and create more jobs when all they are really doing is taking that money OUT OF CIRCULATION and storing it away in offshore bank accounts. They dont spend it, they hoard it! How else can they get to call themselves rich. And the more they are hoarding, the less there is for the middle and lower classes (which do exist despite America being a “classless” nation. The truth is, the rich in America just have no class, period!
      And as for drug- dealers, murderers, rapists, etc., what they are doing is looking for a little piece of that giant pie, or reacting to not having a chance to get a piece of that pie. Very few people are born criminals, though, unfortunately, 0.001% of any population might be) and they certainly do not emigrate to the USA to become criminals there for the most part, they are just people who want a better life but find out life in America is no better or even worse than life where they were born. America preaches, Come to our shores and you can have a better life, but when they get there they are shown no love or chance to improve themselves. Their poverty is consistently and constantly shoved in their faces, they are mistreated because of their race or religion, and they are made to feel inferior to the ruling classes. They don’t want to become criminals, but their situations force them into it. For others it is a response to how they are treated. And for others, they are made into criminals by the very people they expected to have help them.
      Stop making people illegal, and they will not become illegal! Open your srms to them, just as your forefathers were welcomed with open arms. Treat them with respect. Help them get their feet on the ground, instead of bullying them and knocking them on their asses before they can learn how to stay standing. Pay them a living wage, not throw them into sweatshops where they have no LEGAL opportunity to advance their situation.
      And above all, do not restrict their access to your nation, because that will only cause more “illegal aliens” than you are getting right now.
      Or admit to the world that you are not a haven for the world’s poor and hungry. Go ahead and build your walls, and keep everyone, including the few friends you have left, out! Produce everything you need at home, and don’t try to sell it to others. We don’t want it, not at the price we have to pay to get it. Protect yourselves, we’re better off without you contaminating our world…
      Unless you want to be good neighbours again, as once you were, before you became “great” in your own minds.

      • DearRawgod,

        I as a Gronda Morin, am a 68 year old grandmother who does not want her work evaluated on the basis of whether it was written by a guy or a gal. Please watch your step. On this blog it is acceptable to disagree and have dissenting view points, as long as it is done in the spirit of respecting that others do think differently.

        I agree in part on your premise that a society can contribute to peoples resorting to criminal behaviors. But that at no point does that mean that I don’t want to be protected from being a victim of criminal behaviors.

        You are right in stating that undocumented workers in the USA and the DACA recipients cannot vote, but legal immigrants can and do, and they will not be voting fora republican candidate anytime soon. This could be one reason why there are republican sin the US Congress looking to cut back legal immigration by 50%. This will happen in their dreams.

        It just so happens that increasing legal immigration is a plus for the USA. Most business executives, Americans and even Evangelicals know this. The USA economy will not undergo an economic growth spurt without an increase in immigration.

        Hugs, Gronda

        • Dear Gronda,
          The “Sir” comment was based on the writer exhibiting black and white “male thinking” as opposed to gray “female thinking.” It was based purely on the writing, and not on the actual gender of the writer, which I did not take the time to look up because I was pissed off at what was being implied. I am male, and unfortunately know how “most” men think, to my great dismay. Black and white thinking leads to making followers for men like the current political leader of the US. It is old-fashioned and out of date, and I’m hearing so much of it these days I lost my cool, for which I apologize, but I do not apologize for anything I said. That was passionate, and heartfelt.
          Running down people, aliens or not, illegal or legal, is the surest way to spread racism, clsssism, etc. We as members of the human race need to treat our fellow beings better than that.
          And if you really want to feel safe, Gronda, change society. I don’t have any facts and figures, and I doubt if the ones I would need are even collected, but in my experience there are more “criminal types” living in North America than anywhere else in the world, and that is because there is more income inequality in North America than anywhere else in the world. Crime is a social disease, not a genrtic one. Change that, and you make this world a safer place to live.

      • @rawgod

        Thanks for your comment, for the record i am not liberal or conservative, just another human being like yourself looking for answers and possibly finding solutions if we unite, put aside our differences and work together.

        I believe there is a place in the world for everyone, whatever your belief system or religion etc. If we can simply put aside emotion and listen to the other side with an open heart and mind. Regarding my argument or debate, I will try my best to be reasonable, logical, without projecting my own insecurities and prejudices. I try to think critically when analyzing any issue, which apply equally to both sides of the political spectrum that’s currently causing such a rift in society.

        I can’t disagree with most of what you say. Yes economic, social, political systems are not perfect, which offers a possibility for change and growth. Short of a fascist dictatorship, i still have hope that humanity can evolve and learn from this period in time, just like we always have from the past, and move forward.

        Btw, your assumption that I cannot be female b/c of my viewpoint is irrelevant and irrational. You are only limiting your own objectivity to find the truth… or whatever that means to you. *Peace*

        • I never said that you cannot be female, but I am not going to say anything more on that.
          I will say that for the world to improve communication is critical, but it has to be more than just communication, it has to be discussion, with give and take on both sides. When one side only is doing the listening, then only half the battle is taking place. In American politics right now, there are not two sides listening, and sometimes I am not even sure if either side is hearing the other. That does not bode well of the near future, or the longterm future either. Partisan politics all over the world today seems to be heading in that direction, conservative ideas are moving more and more to the right, while the liberals are not sure which way to move. Left wing politicians are pretty much staying exactly where they have been for the past 60 years, in those countries that even have them. The States would benefit from having a socialist party, but few Americans even understand how socialism can be a democratic philosophy. They seem to associate socialism with communism, and everyone knows communism is evil, so socialism must be too.
          But those are only my viewpoints, coming from a nation that has had a socialist party my whole life, and having the experience of knowing how socialism has affected the way that Canada operates, even if they have never been in direct control of our federal government. Without a socialist party, we would not have universal health care, or universal educational opportunities.
          I think I’m getting a bit off topic here, but I am known to do that s lot.
          Back to immigration policies, both the USA and Canada need to accept immigrants, and we need to accept them equally, and without care for where they come from, or as you say, what their personal backgrounds are. But I draw the line when one starts talking about personal behaviours, such as whether or not they are criminals. Members of cartels and spy-rings, or other criminal organizations are not immigrants, they are business people being sent to the world’s greatest source of wealth and technical information. They might pose as immigrants, but they are not, and should not be lumped in with actual immigrants, legal or illegal.
          And those labels, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants, burn me to my core. If the USA was not founded on illegal immigrants, there would be no USA today. If they had had to ask for permission from the original inhabitants of the Americas, and if those people could have foreseen what European immigrants would do to their lands, they would NEVER have allowed them in. As it was, they were never consulted, and any talks that did take were a one way conversation, because the Europeans told nothing but lies.
          And now, thanks to the current president, lies are the currency of politics once again…

        • @rawgod

          You state: “But I draw the line when one starts talking about personal behaviours, such as whether or not they are criminals.”

          But what if they are criminals? Do you choose to turn a blind eye b/c labeling a few bad immigrants (legal or illegal) as criminals do not fit into your world view?

          I would propose the common sense approach to this issue and agree with Gronda who stated at the top of this thread:
          “Too often these criminals are deported only to return again.

          i would not have a problem with the creation of a law that any deported criminal being the recipient of a warning that they are subject to immediate incarceration if they return to the USA.”

          Recent example: “Two men who were in the US under the DACA program are arrested for ‘human smuggling’ in San Diego.” PS – This is not fake news, was reported and verified by AP news agency.

          I do whole-heartedly agree with your point: “And those labels, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants, burn me to my core.”

          For me, immigration is not a problem or even the real issue. We just don’t want criminals, whether legally or illegally residing here, corrupting society and making life difficult for everyone. I surmise you want the same – safe and peaceful living conditions in Canada, right?

  3. Gronda, I was watching conservative pundit Andrew Sullivan on “Real Time with Bill Maher” last Friday. He is no fan of Trump and made the simple observation. “Give him his wall, but get something for it.” He noted it is far more expensive than Trump has stated and will take longer than his Presidency. If this would solve the DACA issue and get something reasonable over the finish line, it may be worth it. I personally think the wall is a waste of money, but Dems don’t hold the cards. Keith

    • Dear Keith,

      I’ve been telling my fellow democrats the same thing. The wall will take a long time to get off the ground. When the Dems become the majority party in the US Congress, this can be fixed but the dreamers need saving now.

      There is no sure way to help Dreamers without giving the president a win and for me, this is a no brainer.

      Hugs, Gronda

    • Dear Suzanne,

      At least now, the republicans’ true intent to cut back on legal immigration by 50%, is out in the open to where it will be soundly rejected

      The other truth that needs to be flushed out, is that these same anti- legal immigration are also against the passage of DACA.

      That is why I agreed with ending the shut down early without the passage of a DACA fix. While there are those republicans in the US Congress who are in favor of fixing DACA, there are many who do not want to help the Dreamers with a DACA fix. That’s why the president was frequently changing his mind about what to do with the DACA program. The republicans have to say they want to fix DACA because of its popularity with the American public but they are hiding their real antipathy towards the dreamers.

      Thanks a million times over for your support and for this reblog.

      Hugs, Gronda


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