President Putin Claims President Trump Agreed to Ukrainian Referendum / Subject Of Treason

The Russian President Vladimir Putin must suffer from dealing with reality similar to what his protege, the republican President Donald Trump is prone to do.

It’s not as if President Trump wouldn’t do just about anything that’s possible in order to please his idol, President Putin. Unfortunately  President Trump lives in the USA, not Russia.

Look at what President Trump forged in one week that would have taken President Putin years to accomplish.

It all started when President Trump ignored the instructions of his advisers, not to call President Putin to congratulate him on his April 2018 election win, but he couldn’t resist the temptation. President Trump took the extra step to set up a bi-lateral summit because he knew President Putin wanted to be back on the world stage. Eventually, President Trump traveled to NATO in July 2018 where he proceeded to confront world leaders about some of them not paying their fair share towards the defense of their own countries. This was followed up by a contentious visit to the UK where he berated his host, the Prime Minister Theresa May during an interview with a Rupert Murdoch owned paper, the Sun. This interview was made public while the Prime Minister was hosting him and the First Lady to a black tie dinner at the home of Winston Churchill. Incidentally, it just so happens that President Putin is not a fan of the British Prime Minister.

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Then on the 16th of July 2018, President Trump had his 2 hour one-on-one tete-a-tete with President Putin at their planned summit in Helsinki, Finland with no note-takers or credible experts in attendance, just their interpreters.

At their joint press conference following the summit, President Trump equivocated when he was questioned as to whether he believed his own intelligence agencies’ conclusions that Russia did interfere in the 2016 US elections or did he accept President Putin’s protestations of innocence. President Trump prevaricated by stating that he had complete faith in his intelligence agents but he found it hard to call his icon, a liar.

The fall out as millions watched this TV reality show has been brutal and swift.

While republicans are pushing back on the word treason, they cannot win this battle by continuing to play their losing game of denial. This is a subject that requires serious, thoughtful discussion, NOW.

It seems that President Trump thought that letting Russia interview 11 American citizens was a great idea. This concept was shot down by the so-called experts that he loves to discount. Then it appears that there was some discussion about the possibility of Russia conducting a referendum in Ukraine. This suggestion is DOA.

Here is the rest of the story…

On July 20, 2018, Christina Zhao of Newsweek penned of the following report, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ‘TREASONOUS’ IN HELSINKI, SAYS HALF OF AMERICA IN NEW POLL

“President Donald Trump’s Helsinki summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin earlier this week sparked widespread debate between Trump’s critics and supporters on whether he acted in the best interests of the United States.”

“Trump hit back at his “haters” Wednesday and defended his performance by promising “big results” and better U.S.-Russia relations. “So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki,” the president wrote on Twitter. “Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!”

“However, U.S. citizens do not appear to be convinced. According to a new Ipsos poll, 49 percent of Americans said Trump was “treasonous” during the summit and ensuing press conference, with only 27 percent disagreeing.”

“Naturally, there was a partisan divide, with 80 percent of Democrats who voted agreeing and only 21 percent of Republicans agreeing. Around 43 percent of independents agreed.”

On July 20, 2018, Angela Charlton of the AP penned the following report, “Putin, Trump talked about a referendum for eastern Ukraine”

“Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump discussed the possibility of a referendum in separatist-leaning eastern Ukraine during their Helsinki summit, Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. said Friday.”

“However, the White House said later that it is not considering supporting the idea.”

Ambassador Anatoly Antonov revealed the discussions amid confusion and concern in the U.S. about what the two world leaders actually agreed upon behind closed doors.

“This issue (of a referendum) was discussed,” he said, adding that Putin made “concrete proposals” to Trump on solutions for the four-year, Russian-backed insurgency in eastern Ukraine, which has killed more than 10,000 people.”

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“The discussion could be seen as an effort to sidestep European peace efforts for Ukraine and increase the pressure on the Ukrainian government in its protracted conflict with pro-Russian separatists in the Donbass region.”

“Later Friday (7/20/18), U.S. National Security Council spokesman Garrett Marquis said “The administration is not considering supporting a referendum in eastern Ukraine.”

“To organize a so-called referendum in a part of Ukraine which is not under government control would have no legitimacy,” he said.”

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“Trump tweeted that the two leaders had discussed Ukraine, but had not mentioned a referendum or revealed specifics of the talks with Putin.”

“The U.S. and Russia have been on opposing sides of the conflict in Ukraine, which was unleashed after a popular uprising in 2014 against Ukraine’s pro-Russian president and Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula a month later.”

“Ukraine’s government didn’t immediately respond to the developments but former Foreign Minister Konstantin Grishchenko said, “Kiev will never agree to a referendum in the Donbass initiated by Russia.”

“The Kremlin already used a referendum as justification for annexing Crimea. And Moscow is trying to use this theory and spread it to the Donbass,” he said on the 112.ua television network.”

Residents of Crimea vote in a referendum on their region's secession from Ukraine and annexation into Russia on March 16, 2014.
TIME/ 2014

“International powers did not recognize the Crimean referendum that preceded Russia’s annexation. Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk regions also held referendums in 2014 that were not recognized by Ukraine’s government.”

“European powers are also expected to oppose a referendum in the Donbass, where pro-Russian separatists hold sway. They have been committed to a 2015 peace deal signed in the Belarusian capital of Minsk that has helped reduce the fighting but failed to find a lasting political solution for the region.”

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German Chancellor Merkel/ NATO

“Putin has sought to become a Trump ally at a time when U.S. ties to Europe are fraying, and both presidents are critical of the EU and NATO. German Chancellor Angela Merkel pushed back Friday at Trump’s questioning of NATO’s central tenet of collective defense.”

“Ambassador Antonov called Monday’s summit in Helsinki a “key event” in international politics and laughed off suggestions the two leaders made any “secret deals.”

“Antonov insisted that diplomatic discussions should remain discreet in order to be effective, but gave a few details of their discussions on arms control and said the summit notably made progress on U.S.-Russian cooperation on Syria’s future.”

“He also said Moscow is ready to discuss a possible visit by Putin to Washington after a surprise invitation from Trump.”

“Antonov said it’s important to “deal with the results” of the leaders’ first summit before jumping too fast into a new one.”

“(But) Russia was always open to such proposals. We are ready for discussions on this subject,” he said.

“The Kremlin hasn’t responded yet to the proposal Trump that made Thursday.”

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“Antonov also pushed for the release of a Russian gun rights activist who has been accused of being a covert agent in the U.S., calling her arrest a “farce.”

“U.S. federal prosecutors accused Maria Butina this week of being a covert Russian agent and working to infiltrate U.S. political organizations, including the National Rifle Association, before and after Trump’s election as president.”

14 comments

  1. Excellent post, Gronda, although it has sent my blood pressure through the top of my head! This statement,“So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki,” enrages me! So, are you, me, and all our readers then on the lower end of intelligence in his book? Is the criteria for being intelligent based on whether or not one agrees with the ignoramus sitting in the Oval Office? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined having a president who would sell this country downriver as he has … and in just a short 18 months!!! Sigh. We better make significant changes in November such that we have a Congress willing to stand against this ‘man’.
    Hugs!!!

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    • Dear Jill,

      I have been spending so much time trying to ferret this story out. I think I’ve done it but this tale of treachery is much bigger than what we even originally imagined. I’m blogging on what I’ve figured out in tomorrow’s post.

      This post had me in a stew but the one tomorrow will set your hair on fire.

      There is no doubt that President Trump is dirty as sin.

      President Trump is dealing with two older ladies who are smart enough to see him as a scared spoiled insecure little brat who thinks he can con the world.

      He can con that 37% of the voters that consist of Evangelicals, NRA ardent followers. members in racist groups, closet racists, anti-immigration zealots, conservative Jewish members, folks who cater to these groups. Its no wonder that his base cannot be budged.

      This Nov. election is down to: Are you on team USA or team Trump-Putin; More of the same or a return to decency?

      Hugs, Gronda

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      • I will hop over to today’s post in just a few, for you now have my curiosity piqued, and I’ve been dying for a new hairdo!!! You are doing such great work on these posts, Gronda! I don’t know how you do all that you do and still keep your sanity. I admire you greatly!

        Hugs!!!

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        • Dear Jill,

          Our blogging family has been hot on the trail of President Trump and his ties to Russia for over a year.

          Thanks for the words of encouragement. But you know how it is when you are trying to put a puzzle together and you just can’t figure out where a piece fits to where it drives you insane.

          That’s where I have been. I may not have figured out the entire puzzle yet, but I see an end in sight. And I am so pissed. Forgive me for the inappropriate use of language.

          Hugs, Gronda.

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  2. Gronda, who in the US knows what the fact-deprived Putin sycophant agreed to. He may not even know, as he is not a student of details. Keith

    PS – I see Trump is trying to change the subject by bringing up suspending NFL players for kneeling. The players retort should be what about suspending you for not defending our country?

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    • Dear Keith,

      The president is deflecting away. Can you believe that the press figured out that it was the President’s attorney who leaked the Michael Cohen tape story? This is definitely a sign of true desperation.

      Like you said, bringing up the NFL culture war wedge issue is just another attempt at distraction.

      Hugs, Gronda

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      • Gronda, I saw Jill’s response about her anger over his comments. I also get angry with the man, but it is more over his sycophants supporting his BS. He has been measured as lying just more than 2 out of three tones he makes statements or tweets. I believe that is too low.

        Just yesterday, he lied about the Cohen and Page issues. When you are not beholden to the truth, one can say anything. Keith

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        • Dear Keith,

          It is not just President Trump who showed his true yellow belly colors to the world, his GOP sycophants in the US Congress are showing their true colors as well. As more comes out, they will have nowhere to hide any longer. They will not be seen in a flattering light.

          Hugs, Gronda

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  3. President Reagan, a republican urged a Russian leader to tear down ‘that wall’ and referred to an evil empire.
    Deemed-to-be-president Trump (apparently a republican) is intent on building his own wall and sees nothing much wrong in Russia.
    How ironic.
    How much the Republican Party has warped to suit a vocal few.

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    • Dear Roger,

      President Trump would be saying let’s build a wall to the south of the USA to keep peoples out who are seeking refuge and asylum only to build another bridge to welcome our enemies as they do us in and take everything of value that we have developed over the years..

      In short, he leans towards cruel and treasonous behaviors.

      Hugs, Gronda

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