No, President Trump Didn’t Attend 6/9/16 Trump Towers Meeting, Just The One To Plan For It

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It seems that Rudy Giuliani, former NYC mayor and the republican President Donald  Trump’s personal attorney has let loose on another major slip of the tongue. As per Mr. Giuliani, the president was definitely not present at the infamous June 9th meeting in 2016  where the campaign manager, Paul Manafort, the president’s son, Don Jr. and his son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Russian operatives to receive dirt on the democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. But the president was in attendance at its planning session, held on the 7th of June 2016.

Of course, this wasn’t a simple slip of the tongue. It seems like there’s the very real possibility that the president’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort who goes on trial soon, that his long term 2nd in command Rick Gates, a cooperating witness for the US prosecutors, would be in a position to testify against him. And thus, he could be spilling the beans about the 6/7/16 pre-planning conference. Oops! This slip of the tongue by Mr. Giuliani is known in political parlance, as “getting ahead of the story.”

So, now Mr. Giuliani and other presidential GOP sycophants like NJ Governor Chris Christie are hot on the media trail with the talking point that collusion is not a crime, so the president did nothing illegal.  Good luck with that! Infractions like conspiracy to commit fraud; and the aiding and abetting in a criminal activity, are on the books.

The coup de grace to the president’s web of lies that are about to hang him, are his own words issued after the June 7th planning session. This is where he declares on national TV that by Monday (6/9/16), he hoped to be in a position to reveal some damning information about Mrs. Clinton.

As per the July 30, 2018 edition of The Week, “The goalposts have moved.”

“President Trump’s attorney, Rudy Giuliani, appeared on CNN and Fox & Friends on (7/30/18) to argue that collusion is not a crime.”

“Giuliani condemned Special Counsel Robert Mueller‘s investigation into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russian interference in the 2016 election, and he laughed at the notion that Trump had done anything wrong. “Collusion is not a crime,” Giuliani said on Fox & Friends.”

“Hacking is the crime,” he said on CNN’s New Day. “The president didn’t hack, he didn’t pay for the hacking.” He continued to argue that there’s “not a single stitch of evidence of collusion,” which apparently is inconsequential anyway, since Giuliani believes it would be legal even if Trump did collude.”

During the week of the 22nd of July 2018, CNN reported that Trump’s former longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen claimed Trump was told about the offer to have the meeting ahead of time and approved it. Cohen reportedly said he was one of several people in the room when Trump told his son Donald Trump Jr. to go ahead with it. The younger Trump was later one of several senior campaign officials, including Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner, who attended the meeting.

“Oh, what a tangled web we weave…when first we practice to deceive.”


    • Dear Roger,

      They don’t get away with it except with the President’s lemmings that’ll follow him anywhere. As more and more data becomes public knowledge, it becomes more and more obvious that President Trump stole this election by resorting to conspiring with a foreign government. Russia.

      Hugs, Gronda

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      • I was educating myself on your electoral system and found an item with a heading along the lines of : How it would be possible to have more votes and still lose the election.
        This was a few years old and written in an academic style to illustrate the quirks of the Electoral Collage rather than as a warning.
        Oh the irony.
        Take care of yourself and your Gronda.

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        • Dear Roger,

          It’s somewhat disheartening that the Russians had this thing called the “Electoral College” voting system figured out enough to help you know who win the presidency. The election came down to 77,744 votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. And that’s the rest of this sad, sad story.

          The good news, is that the “Electoral College” system will not be in play during the US 2018 midterm November elections.

          Hugs, Gronda

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  1. Dear Mz. Gronda,

    While Rudy G. and tRump are unable to find the term collusion in the law books, perhaps if he were to pick up a simple dictionary he might find the meaning of the word which would lead him to the correct statute in the law books…

    secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
    “the armed forces were working in collusion with drug traffickers”
    synonyms: conspiracy, connivance, complicity, intrigue, plotting, secret understanding, collaboration, scheming
    “there had been collusion between the security forces and paramilitary groups”
    illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially between ostensible opponents in a lawsuit.

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    • Mothman,
      In litigation, what Rudy is doing is called playing semantics. While he might not be able to find “collusion” in federal statute, it is in law dictionaries.
      ” Collussion. 1. Secret action taken by two or more persons together to cheat another person or to commit fraud. For example, it is collusion if two persons agree that one should sue the other because the second person is covered by insurance. Oran’s Dictionary of the Law

      Here is the legal definition for “conspiracy” (in pertinent part) from the same dictionary;
      “A crime that may be committed when two or more persons agree to do something unlawful (or to do something lawful by unlawful means).”

      That is why Mueller’s team exposing and indicting for the hacking of the DNC emails has Trump nervous. He can say that he did nothing “illegal” but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t “unlawful” because the information he received was obtained by unlawful means. In law, “illegal” and “unlawful” have specific definitions, and Rudy knows that.

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    • Dear Crustyolemothman and Xena,

      The great news is that the president and many who have been in cahoots with him are in legal hot water. I like words like the RICO ACT, conspiracy to commit a crime, aiding and abetting in the furtherance of criminal activity. There is nothing that says, we have to buy the GOP’s preference for the term “collusion.”

      I have been indulging myself with the fantasy, that the Democratic Party filed suit against states like PA, WI, and MI. which did not heed the warning in 2016 by the federal government, about possible Russian interference. This could allow computer forensic experts to get a hold of the voting machines that were in use in 2016 and which have not been used since that time.

      Hugs, Gronda


  2. Gronda, of course Trump knew and he was involved. Take one dose of an egomaniacal man who watches and reads everything said about him. Add a meeting where his son, son-in-law and campaign manager attended with Russians. Add the changing story lines by all parties related to the Trump campaign. Add that the offer was to discredit his opponent, a favorite tactic. Add the meeting was in a building with his name on it, where he lived and worked. This all adds up that he must have known. I believe he even listened in, but that may be much.

    Now, he and Gules are saying collusion is not a crime. Now, why on earth would they say that? The keep moving the lines of denial back, but this puts the line in a different stadium. Keith

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    • Dear Keith,

      Both Rudy Giuliani and President Trump are trying to make treason, robbing US citizens of their right to have their votes count, without a question as to its integrity as somehow acceptable.

      They both need to know that their names will go down in the US history books as having done real harm to our US democracy. He will be listed as the worst president, bar none.

      This November has to be a turning point. I am praying that the American peoples get this.

      Hugs, Gronda


      • Gronda, people who have concerns must get out and vote. A sure sign of concern about our former party is they have spent so much time and effort through ALEC, state legislatures and Trump to get people not to vote. That was a major strategy of Trump was to get people to stay home. Keith

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