aside There Was Another Person With Alleged Ties To Russia In 6/9/17 Trump Towers Meeting

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On the morning of Friday, July 14, 2017, I was watching the MSNBC “Morning Joe TV show when one of the hosts, Willie Geist announced the breaking news that there was a 5th person present at the June 9, 2016 controversial Trump Tower meeting that had not been previously disclosed. disclosed. We did know that there were four attendees, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort and a Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya.

As per MSNBC, the person has yet to be named, but the known details indicate that the 5th party was a Russian American lobbyist with dual citizenship who had a history with Soviet Counter Intelligence entities. He was born in Russia, served in the Russian military as a counter intelligence officer but he emigrated to the USA. This fifth person is denying any current ties to Russian Intelligence. US Intelligence is claiming otherwise.

It was the Russian lawyer who has confirmed that a gentleman accompanied her to this June 9, 2016 meeting.


Senator Chuck Grassley posts on his website, the name of Rinat Akhmetshin.

This new information is counter to all the stories that have been shared by the White House to date about that fateful Trump Tower meeting on June 9, 2016 gathering.

There is confusion over this story. Because the Russian lawyer did not speak English, she had to have been accompanied by a translator. This means there were SIX participants in this June 9, 2016 meeting. So, maybe there were up to three people with ties to Russia.

Later Shepard Smith announced that FOX TV was able to confirm that there were more people present at the June 9, 2017, perhaps up to 8 people.

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On July 14, 2017, Aidan McLaughlin of MEDIAITE penned the following report, “Who is Rinat Akhmetshin, the Fifth Person in the Don Jr. Meeting.”

Entire report:

“Speculation is rampant over the mysterious fifth person who attended the meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in June, 2016 — and AP have now confirmed that it was Rinat Akhmetshin, a former Soviet counter intelligence officer.”

“The now infamous meeting between the president’s son, Russian lawyer Natalia VeselnitskayaPaul Manafort and Jared Kushner was disclosed after a series of New York Times reports prompted Don. Jr to confess to having attended the gathering with the goal of obtaining dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government.”

“Per the Daily Beast, Veselnitskaya represents HRAGI, which has lobbied to end the ban on American adoption of Russian children — a policy put in place in response to the Magnitsky Act.”

“Among HRAGI’s lobbyists is Rinat Akhmetshin, who has described himself as a former Russian counterintelligence officer, but said he is no longer in the government’s employ,” the Daily Beast writes.”

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“Veselnitskaya had initially told NBC that a fifth person attended the Trump Tower meeting, but declined to reveal who. Business Insider has a fairly comprehensive report on the fifth attendee, writing that “there are several indications that the fifth person in the meeting was Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-born lobbyist accused of having ties to Soviet military intelligence who has been working to overturn the Magnitsky Act since at least last year.”

“They spoke with William Browder, the founder of an investment firm who spearheaded the Magnitsky Act, and said “there is only one person who fits” the profile of who was described in an NBC story.”

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Though Akhmetshin contends he is no longer a Kremlin agent, Browder notes that in “the world of Russian intelligence, there is no such thing as a ‘former intelligence officer.’”

“The meeting occurred five days before the Democratic National Committee was attacked by hackers working on behalf of Russia’s intelligence agency.”

“Don Jr.’s lawyer told NBC on Thursday that there also may have been a sixth person at the meeting.”

Image result for cartoons of trump tower meeting june 9 2016Here is the what the Washington Post is reporting on July 14, 2017:

“A Russian American lobbyist, who served in the Russian military in the past, said Friday (7/14/17) that he was in the room for a June 2016 meeting between President Trump’s oldest son and a Kremlin-connected attorney.”

“The presence of Rinat Akhmetshin, adds to the number of people in attendance at the Trump Tower gathering that emerged this week as the clearest evidence so far of interactions between Trump campaign officials and Russia.”

“In an interview with the Washington Post, Akhmetshin said he participated in the session with several others. His role in the meeting was first reported by NBC News and the Associated Press.”

“Akhmetshin, a U.S. citizen, was lobbying at the time against U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia for human rights violations” (The Magnitsky Act).

This blog was updated on July 14, 2017.


  1. Please forgive me, but once upon a time persons of intelligence thought the world was the centre of the universe, today, America thinks it is the centre of the world, your posts on the Palestinian (problem) and on ISIS (a goddess) reflect a view that is possibly obtained by particular historical timelines, and possibly do not reflect the true nature of either of those situations. What now? with dump in office, how can you positively and categorically present a wrong, and will that make it right?. What is the future for persons of integrity like yourself, and the younger generations to make of all this crap, when there are bigger issues concerning the WORLD future. Who will write that timeline, and will anyone care by then, is this a dream? if so, please dream big hugs from a dreamer from the other side of the world…(the part where no agency can penetrate because of the great distance involved)…

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      • History, is for books by people who were never there. Life is simple. The facts are always there, like a rainbow, they change upon the perspective of the observer. Like looking at gd. Thankyou for not chewing me out. HUGS.

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    • Dear Horty,

      The republican lawmakers will have to face the reality that there is a Russian asset in the White House.

      Thanks a million times over for all your support and for this reblog.

      Hugs, Gronda

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  2. Gronda, as we have discussed, no one should assume what they are hearing from the two Donald’s is now the truth. Since these words were written, we have learned the Senior lied about knowing of the meeting having seen the emails a month ago and now we learn there may have been a fifth person on the meeting.

    Senior has an aversion to telling the truth. His calculus is likely “what can I get them to believe.” With the continual retreating lines in the sand, Senior may have only seen the emails a month ago, but my educated guess is he has been involved all along dating back before the meeting took place.

    My strong advice to those who daily defend his retreating positions – stop, you are embarrassing yourself.


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    • Dear Keith,

      The republican lawmakers are not just embarrassing themselves, they are betraying their country, its peoples and their oath of office.They are colluding with a Russian asset in the White house. They are kowtowing to the Mercer family monies and their own greed.

      Hugs, Gronda


  3. Dear Mz. Gronda,
    Let’s think for a moment, Don Sr. has stated he was not In the room (or something to that effect). However just for thinking purposes, let’s remember this conference was stated to have been directly below where he was allegedly at during that time frame. Any thought as to how he could be almost telling the truth, but not? Might I suggest while he was not directly in the room that he was a participant in the conversation via conference call or something similar? Now as to who else could have most likely been in the room, Steve Bannon fits the profile quite well!
    OK, might I suggest we have gone by the point of collusion and no due to the number of participants to a full blown conspiracy to commit status…

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    • Dear Crustyolemothman,

      I am believing that Rob Goldstone would have been there along with the translator and the Russian lobbyist /fixer along with Paul Manafort, Natalia Veselnitskaya, Donald Trump Jr., Jared kushner. There may be more. And yes, there is no way that DDT would not have been fully informed about this meeting.

      Hugs, Gronda


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