Democrats, Give The President His Damn Wall But For A Price/ Comprehensive Immigration Bill

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The republican President Donald Trump needs his wall as this was his number one promise to his supporters. Before the words, NO BLOODY WAY leave your mouths, hear me out.

This may be the last realistic chance to pass a comprehensive immigration bill. In 2013 the US Senate passed a bipartisan comprehensive immigration bill but it was blocked from being voted in the US Congress of Representatives by the GOP leadership, otherwise it would have passed.  If it is possible and within the parliamentary rules, the Democrats could offer the ‘lame duck session’ republicans who are the majority party in the US House until January 2019, to help pass the budget bill with an allowance of $5 billion dollars for the president’s wall if they agreed to pass the US Senate’s 2013 immigration bill now, as is. As long as the president signed it, then the budget with monies for the wall could be passed to avoid the president’s promised shutdown.

This 2013 bill is not perfect, but the perfect will not be possible until after the Democrats win the White House and the US Senate in the 2020 US elections. Meanwhile there are the DACA dreamers and other lives at stake.

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This idea may not be possible as per the US congressional parliamentary rules but the concept is still has merit. I noticed that democrats were re-flexibly resistant against the Democratic US Senate leader Chuck Schumer when he recently proposed helping the president with his wall. By itself, I would echo the words “NO BLOODY WAY.” But if he was using this in exchange for permanently saving the DACA dreamers from possible deportation along with other immigration reforms, is this not worth considering.

As per Wikipedia, “Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) is an American immigration policy that allows some individuals who were brought to the United States illegally as children to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and become eligible for a work permit in the U.S.”

The question I have for my fellow Democrats, is it more important to give the president a black eye or to save some lives?

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Here’s the rest of the story…

As per a 2013 CBS publication, A comprehensive immigration reform bill passed with strong support in the Senate (in June 2013) bringing Washington one step closer to accomplishing a major milestone that both Democrats and Republicans have long sought.

Now, however, the bill goes to the House, where, at best, it faces significant headwinds.

The measure passed 68 to 32, with Vice President Joe Biden presiding over the Senate chamber and the senators all casting their votes from their desks.

Fourteen Republicans joined 52 Democrats and two Independents in voting for the bill, including Sen. Jeffrey Chiesa, R-N.J., the Republican who was appointed to his seat this month after the death of Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J. No Democrats voted against the bill.

After the legislation passed, President Obama released a statement commending the Senate and urging the public to lobby the House to pass some version of the bill.

From left, Senators John McCain, Charles E. Schumer, Lindsey Graham and Robert Menendez.CreditCreditChristopher Gregory/The New York Times

The legislation’s bipartisan authors delivered passionate arguments in favor of the legislation on the Senate floor Thursday, often making their remarks personal. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., one of the four Republicans who joined four Democrats to shape the bill, spoke about how his parents grew to love America after immigrating from Cuba.

“We focus so much on how immigrants can change America that we forget America has always changed immigrants even more,” he said. “That’s why I support this reform, not just because I believe in immigrants, but because I believe in America even more.”

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Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., another one of the “gang of eight” senators who drafted the bill, stressed the political advantages of proving to the public that Congress can still function.

“I see this as a significant step toward the U.S. Senate being able to work together in a bipartisan fashion to do something that matters,” he said. “Is this bill perfect? No… It is a good solution to a hard problem that can always be made better.”

Graham also pointed out that, to extent, the effort should help Republicans.

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Sen Marco Rubio

“I’m doing great among Hispanics in South Carolina. The bad news: there are not very many who vote in a Republican primary,” he said, adding that he’s attempted to work with his colleagues “to start a process that will pay great dividends.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said (around June 2013) that he was “confident” the House would pass the legislation, even though House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said earlier in the day that his chamber will not simply take up whatever the Senate passes.

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“We’re going to do our own bill through regular order, and it will be legislation that reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people,” he said.

Crafting a bill that could win the majority support of the GOP caucus should prove to be a challenge. The House GOP conference plans to meet July 10 to discuss the way forward on immigration.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., on Thursday urged the House to take up some version of a comprehensive bill, remarking, “Let’s just go forward to say what we want is a bill that secures our borders, protects our workers and has a path to citizenship, and see where we go from there.”

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John Boehner, (top r) Mitch McConnell, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (bottom l)

All of those key elements of the reform effort have proved to be challenging. Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., expressed his concern on the Senate floor Thursday on all three of those fronts.

When it comes to protecting workers, Sessions pointed out that if the immigration bill passes, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, average wages in 2023 would be slightly lower than they would be otherwise.”

Sessions also argued the bill doesn’t do enough to enforce laws against illegal immigration, pointing to opposition from officials like the president of the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Council.”

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“Who do we trust?” Sessions asked. USCIS officers, or “our good political senators who work hard but haven’t been out on the front line?”

“Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., similarly said he was voting against the bill because he wasn’t confident the legislation would secure the border sufficiently.”

“One thing I’m fairly certain about is that we will never resolve the immigration problem on a bipartisan basis either now or in the future until we can prove that the border is secure as a condition for legalization,” he said.”

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Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was among the bill’s backers who insisted the robust and pricey border security provisions — provisions so robust that they’ve compelled some immigrant advocacy groups to oppose the entire bill — would secure the border.

“I’ve been there and I’ve seen the technology — technology developed in Iraq and Afghanistan,” McCain said. Along with technology to provide situational awareness at the border, he touted the 700 miles of fending, additional border patrol agents and the e-Verify program in the legislation.

2013 immigration reform bill summary

See: Immigration reform would cut deficit

See: In boost to immigration reform prospects, senators unveil “border surge” plan

See: Immigration bill should attract fiscal hawks, says Corker

See: Senate passes “border surge” amendment

7 comments

    • Dear John Fioravanti,

      Make no mistake, there are a group of GOP in US House called Freedom Caucus who are avid anti-immigration. In 2013, the US House leaders blocked the US Senate bill from reaching the House floor to be voted on because there were enough votes to pass the bill.

      Recent attempts have been blocked as well.

      Right now the US Congressional leaders need to pass a US budget so they can go home for the holidays, The glitch is that the president has promised not to sign this bill if it does not include monies for his border wall, which would result in a government shut down right before the holidays where some government workers would not get paid. This means that some democratic votes are needed. Democrats could let them suffer or they could play, let’s cut a deal.

      My idea is to have democrats give in a little but for the price of immigration reforms. THIS SHOULD NOT BE DONE WITHOUT AN EXCHANGE. If republicans don’t want to deal , then they can go pound salt.

      If there is a chance to save the DACA dreamers, then why not go for it..

      Hugs, Gronda

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  1. Yes, but what is not being discussed here is that there is a reason there are certain places that do not have a wall. That is because those places are migratory crossings for species of animals and a very important part of the ecosystem of the planet. That’s why previous President’s were wise enough to leave them alone. These species use these migratory patterns to breed and repopulate before returning. What about them?

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    • Dear Doubledragon61,

      You are so right. But that’s why I say give the president some monies for wall BUT ONLY if there are immigration reforms passed and signed by president. The president may not even get the chance to start the wall building before he is dealing with impeachment issues.

      I’m at the point that we can’t wait any longer for Mr. Mueller.

      Hugs, Gronda

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  2. I would agree to a small amount for the the wall, no more than the amount Schumer already purposed if it gets us a complete DACA protection and path way to citizenship rights. If not no money for the wall at all! If the democrats agree to some border increase in funding that is for technology, adding on to existing fencing, or to add to the border patrol funds, I say it has to be on condition of the immigration reform including allowing the existing laws on asking for asylum to be enforced with out interference as they are being interfered with now. Absolutely no money for the border with out concessions against separating families, provisions against violating the Flores settlement and no holding families and kids longer than that court case gave the government to do so. If the republicans want to shut the government down over these points, let them. Pools have shown they will be greatly harmed, not the democrats. They control all three branches of government right now. Now is when they have to pass this stuff. The majority of people want these reforms and want an end to kids separated from families, let them stake their fortune to stopping these things the people want. It will only make the new house democrat majority stronger. And someone please stop Shumer from giving away the store before we even have a proposal from eh other side. Hugs

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    • Dear Scottie,

      I couldn’t agree more with your thinking. Sen Schumer cannot offer nada without cutting a deal of substance along the lines that you mentioned.

      But the deal has to be signed and delivered Otherwise let them hang themselves.

      This could be Dems. last chance to get any immigration reforms.

      Hugs, Gronda

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